Mayor opposed to guns and civil rights
Cedric Glover, Mayor of Shreveport Lousiana believes he and his jackbooted thugs state police have the authority to wantonly violate your civil rights.
Mayor Glover believes that his brownshits state police have authority to “suspend” your rights.
From the blog Pro Libertate:
Any time a motorist is stopped by a police officer, insists Shreveport, Louisiana Mayor Cedric Glover, “Your rights … have been suspended.” This includes not only the freedom of movement, but also, in the event the officer inquires as to whether the driver is carrying a weapon, “Your right to be able to hold on to your weapon and say whether [you] have a weapon or not” — as well as the right to retain possession of that weapon, should the officer decide to confiscate it from you.
Should you choose not to answer the question, or answer it in the negative, the officer could still choose, “in the interest of officer safety, to secure you in a safe position” — this most likely means outside the car with your hands cuffed behind your back — “and then do an appropriate inspection of your vehicle.”
The phrase “appropriate inspection” is more honestly rendered “Unconstitutional” warrantless search.”
Should the police officer then turn up a firearm or other weapon in the car, the driver “would be guilty or potentially guilty of even a more severe offense” than whatever he had allegedly done to precipitate the traffic stop, according to Mayor Glover. Police officers, according to Glover, are invested with “a power that the President of the United States does not have … and that is the ability to be able to suspend your rights.”
This is “one of the things that I say to each and every one of the police officers who graduates from the Shreveport Police Academy since I’ve been mayor.” Fortunately for the public, one supposes, Mr. Glover remembers the lesson that Peter Parker learned from his kindly and sagacious uncle Ben — that is, with great power comes great responsibility.”You have to understand there is a great deal of power that is vested within … the law enforcement personnel of this country,” Glover insists. “It’s why there is a great deal of responsibility that has to go along with it.”
Glover offered those remarkable observations, and many others like them, in a recorded phone call with Shreveport resident Robert Baillio
Mr. Baillio had called to complain about a recent traffic stop in which an SPD officer, who– before dealing with any other matter of business — asked if Baillio had a firearm, then temporarily seized it from him.
Louisiana law recognizes the right of the state’s residents to carry loaded weapons in their vehicles, and Baillio has a state-issued concealed carry permit — that is, a piece of paper in which the state generously recognizes one facet of Baillio’s innate right to bear arms.
According to Baillio’s account, he was cordial and polite when he was stopped after supposedly neglecting to use a turn signal. That this was almost certainly a pretext stop is illustrated by the fact that Baillio never received a ticket. Supplemental evidence is offered by the fact that the conversation between the officer and Baillio focused entirely on the issue of gun ownership, including a question about Baillio’s membership in the National Rifle Association.
Glover is a member of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Agaisnt Illegal Guns, however it looks like Glover is opposed to all guns.
You hear the entire audio of Mr. Baillio’s conversation with Mayor Glover here.
Interesting links related to this story:
Louisiana Law: http://legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=112364
Local News Story: http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=10652408&ClientType=Printable
p.s. The idea about being pulled over because of the bumper stickers doesn’t make a whole lot of sense because the traffic stop was at night. Have you ever tried to read a bumper sticker at night while driving down the road? I hate to be the one to debunk this story because I do truly believe that our 2nd Amendment Rights are under attack and must be defended, but everyone involved did exactly as they were supposed to. If you don’t like the law/outcome, then you probably need to talk to state politicians and have the laws changed.
Assumimg this story is being properly represented it is just wrong. We the people are going to have either change things or give in. There is no middle ground. In Texas what happened would be clearly illegal, I do not know about La. and really, since Katrina, I do not care all that much either in one way but in another it is still kind of part of the U.S. so I quess I have to care. Question, why do we the people allow our “leaders” to abuse us? To spend us to death, to give tax breaks to firms who send jobs overseas, to have our tax money go to paying for our oil rigs to be given to Brazil and George Soros(happening as I write). Why are we throwing pot smokers in jail when they are not that much of a problem, really. Why is the Democrate and republican party so much the same, not in what they say but in what they do? How can a guy in texas get convicted of rape because his wife is 15 and 15 is legally a marrige age? Why is the state legislating morals while Illegals and moslems are all over the damned place? Why? Why? Why? Makes you believe that the Communist are still on the move.
Baillio-VS-Shreveport, La. Mayor Grover and Police.
I called the Mayor’s office (06/23/10 9:50am), and they stated that Mr. Baillio has his gun back, and that the police did not search Mr. Baillio”s truck without a warrant. The woman who answered the phone stated, “We are not out to confiscate anyone’s guns.”. I stated that we will see how the truth comes out. Someone has the story wrong.
Sounds like the old Kangaroo Courts of the mid 50’s. God forbid you get caught in one of these. They turn you every which way but loose and then act as if nothing happened.
It was patently illegal for the Shevesport polce to stop Mr Bausillio in the first place and equally unconstitutional for the city of Shevesport to conficate his legally possessed weapon.it would reasonable to believe that the mayor city police chief and the city of shevesport are all civilly and criminally liable of numerous violations of this man’s constitutional rights. it is repulsive the arrogance of the city of Shrevesport to caustically declare that this man’s rights have been revoked by them and should be vigorously prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law to deter any further illegal activities by public officials and their subordinates in government.such illegalities should be quashed on site without delay.
Our rights are being taken away one by one and we just sit like bumps on a log and let it happen. I am so sorry my children and grandchildren will never know the America that was a proud country,as I did growing up. I think this mayor is on a power kick and is believing his press notices. He and all of us are going to pay a bitter price for this kind of irresponsibility.
So I happen to have 20/20 vision and considering how police officers usually don’t mind riding your @$$ before they decide to pull you over it is not unreasonable to think a police officer might be able to read a bumper sticker or two before they pull someone over… even at night. Furthermore, while the officer may have pulled this individual over for failing to use his turn signal, it would be very easy to read such stickers after the fact. One thing people often don’t think of when being pulled over by the police however, is that while you are being detained your rights have already been suspended and will continue to be so until the officer lets you go. The officer may have been well within his authority to ask about and confiscate the firearm in question, but even considering the link in the previous post the officer should have returned the firearm immediately after determining the person he had detained was free to go. If he kept the firearm and made Mr. Baillio retrieve it at the police station then he continued to ’suspend’ a law abiding citizens rights beyond his authority to do so. Perhaps people should exercise their right to remain silent more often!?! If the officer did pull him over for failing to use a turn signal then he should have wrote a ticket/warning and left it at that, answering every question a police officer may have is not your obligation. Police officers should be capable of determining if you’ve done something wrong without asking you 20 questions and if they can’t then perhaps they didn’t have sufficient enough reason to detain you in the first place! All in all it is stupid stuff like this that makes law abiding citizens question the authority we give to the police… Don’t they have more important things to do than to harass people? Apparently making money for the state by ’suppressing’ citizens rights is a more valuable way to protect and serve than preventing violent crime.
VOTE HIM OUT its that simple
This story is just another example of how whenever disaster strikes ; people get pushed around by those who “enforce” the law ; yet don’t have to follow the rules themselves. This fatslob, liar of a Mayor needs to get off the jag he is on ; because the laws are on the side of Mr. Bausillo-NOT the officer(s) in question. Americans need to READ their CONSTITUTION inside and out just to understand how they are being fooled into believeing that Cops are Always Right and how we poor Citizens need to take a “back – seat” and not say or do anything to “rock” the boat “so to speak”. Wake Up America!! Your Rights are being eroded away by gradualism and deceit behind closed doors. Americans need to IMPEACH all those elected officials who take OUR Tax money (for their paychecks) and push us around with their bully mentalities as they fly for free/eat for free/ drive for free/etc., on OUR dime.
Currently I don’t own a pistol or a rifle, but I plan to buy one of each in the next few months or so. I am doing my research now. I want to learn how to shoot again. It has been since the US Army National Guard in 1991 since I last shot at a target. I want to take a class near our home at the local gun & sports club, then I want to learn how to shoot sniper rifles like the one the guy from Canada was doing. I think it would be awesome to be able to shoot at a target and hit it from 3,500 feet. The idea that someone can get away with taking a persons gun that is locked up in a gun case in a trunk of a car, just for routinely stopping them for any traffic violation seems very inappropriate; especially if that person has a license to carry the weapon. I know if I buy the sniper rifle I want to buy it will cost me well over $3,000.00 and that is not counting the range fees, and ammo. I would not like it if a police officer simply thought he/she had a legal right to take it away from me on the way to or from the rifle range.
What a shame. It is obvious the intent of the officer was simply to disarm the driver. It would be interesting to know two things. Is there a local ordinance or policy to cause the officer his actions and did he get permission from the driver to search the vehicle?
If he did not get permission to search first he violated another constitutional right of the people, in this case the driver.
I think the governor of Louisiana should pull this creep Mayor Cedric Gloverout of office, replace him with someone who follows the constitution and that policeman should be let go.
Well in my opinion,If this story is correct,and the person done nothing wrong,then it’s my opinion that the cops were wrong for even searching the car because your suppose to have a search warrant.
I am soooo happy to be able to say here in TN,when that flood happened we all jumped in together from all across the state.Thank God,there was no looting,or anything,because all jumped in to help.So the cops never got a chance to push anyone around! I guess that’s why we are called the Volunteer State! LOL
It appears to me from what I have read that this man’s rights were severely and unjustly violated by the city of Shreveport and it’s representatives.Appropriate action should be taken in order to rectify this abuse of power, and ensure that it doesn’t continue to happen in the future. God Bless America and continue to keep us a free country.
ALL RIGHT RESERVED
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
MAY GOD BLESS OUR NATION AND OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION
http://www.grassfire.com/134/petition.asp?Ref_ID=3536&RID=18852786
I would like to point out, if our president can get away with the 4 impeachable presidential questions, do you think there is any accountability from the top down?
Here are the 5 questions:
Treason:
(1) ? Yes ? No Was the President, disloyal to the Constitution? § 1918
(2) ? Yes ? No Did the President, commit a high crimes or a misdemeanors? U.S. Constitution – Article 2 Section 4
(3) ? Yes ? No Did the President, commit a trick or scheme? § 1001
(4) ? Yes ? No Did the President, obstruct an jury investigation? > § 1510
(5) ? Yes ? No Did the President, obstruct justice? § 1505
This is based on prior impeachments;
President Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228-206 vote) and obstruction of justice.
Members of Congress argued that Johnson had violated the Constitution and conspired against Congress. In the end, the Senate acquitted President Johnson, but he avoided being removed from office by just one vote.
It is the President’s constitutional duty not to sign legislation that he believes is unconstitutional. Thomas Jefferson advised President Washington in 1791 that the veto power “is the shield provided by the constitution to protect against the invasions of the legislature [of] 1. the rights of the Executive 2. of the Judiciary 3. of the states and state legislatures.” James Madison appears to have held a similar view and as President once vetoed a bill on constitutional grounds even though he supported it as a matter of policy.
So, the question of what to do is clear, PUT a notice to do your job or be fired!
http://www.kickthemallout.com/
AND THE FACTS ARE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty
Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a territory. It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided. The concept has been discussed, debated and questioned throughout history, from the time of the Romans through to the present day, although it has changed in its definition, concept, and application throughout, especially during the Age of Enlightenment. The current notion of state sovereignty was laid down in the Treaty of Westphalia (1648), which, in relation to states, codified the basic principles of territorial integrity, border inviolability, and supremacy of the state (rather than the Church). A sovereign is a supreme lawmaking authority.
Age of Enlightenment
Hobbes, in Leviathan (1651) introduced an early version of the social contract (or contractarian) theory, arguing that to overcome the “nasty, brutish and short” quality of life without the cooperation of other human beings, people must join in a “commonwealth” and submit to a “Soveraigne [sic] Power” that is able to compel them to act in the common good. This expediency argument attracted many of the early proponents of sovereignty. Hobbes deduced from the definition of sovereignty that it must be:
Absolute: because conditions could only be imposed on a sovereign if there were some outside arbitrator to determine when he had violated them, in which case the sovereign would not be the final authority.
Indivisible: The sovereign is the only final authority in his territory; he does not share final authority with any other entity. Hobbes held this to be true because otherwise there would be no way of resolving a disagreement between the multiple authorities.
Hobbes’ hypothesis that the ruler’s sovereignty is contracted to him by the people in return for his maintaining their safety, led him to conclude that if the ruler fails to do this, the people are released from their obligation to obey him.
Having heard the original phone call on the radio program, Gun Talk ( and some follow up by Tom Gresham ) & from the Citizen, Mr. Baillio-who was stopped by the police, I assure all here that the reports are NOT exaggerated or embellished.
Mr. Baillio sounded entirely forthright in his presentation of the events, and seemed rational in the extreme. It would be difficult to exaggerate the so-called Mayor’s ignorance or stupidity. I suppose ignorance may be too generous a term-as any Black man in America, especially one who holds any public office, should have a rudimentary understanding of the essential protections & God given rights RECOGNIZED ( not granted ) in the Constitution. Plainly, one might even ascribe an agenda to the so-called Mayor’s ‘policy’.
The behavior of the policeman was obviously capricious and he was plainly aware he was exercising an unwarranted application of power-his commands & comments to Mr. Baillio were at least insulting, in light of the circumstances. Officers such as this are always the willing tools of any manner of oppressive regime. Shreveport must be a toxic place indeed-but we ( in Texas ) all know either first-hand or by reports of family & friends-of the ‘legal’ joys of visiting Louisiana.
The foolish police of Shreveport and the loon who is Mayor are doing immense harm to the public trust ( of our system ). This degrades and perverts nearly every relationship between citizen and any official-to some degree.
A very recent story of an Iowa sheriff who capriciously denied a gun permit shows what may be the way out of such a mess. The sheriff’s decision was reversed in an Iowa state court, and the judge has required the sheriff to attend a class at university level on the Constitution. Perhaps the so-called Mayor of Shreveport & his police officers could be so fortunate as to attend a similar course. Maybe Louisiana could be brought forward, from the political Dark Ages which it inhabits, where corruption & ignorance are an art form.
A good reason to avoid Lousiana during our vacation. We will do so and convince our friends and fellow travelers to also do so. There are too many beautiful places to travel in the USA without going to a state that hassles people.
If that kind of thing were happening in Michigan, I would like to see a hit put out on that kind of person. The hell with saying that he should be voted out. Give him the gun.
“Im not giving way & neither are they” Im 22, I know I’m still young but I have to say there is only 1 outcome in this situation & we all know what it is going to be. We were given these rights that we have back when it was ok to shoot someone for threatening you, back before “drive-by shootings, gangsters, mobsters, mafia’s and war. and thats why we were given them, before all this hell we have made around us existed; things were settled man to man, hand to hand. We were given these rights by men of upper society who possesed a sidearm wherever they traveled and there were no gun laws because the people of those periods had common sense and if someone wanted to challenge them; well to say the least he better be a good shot and not a good talker. What I want to know is how many people out here are true to the committment? How many people will take a bullett for what they believe in? In this case being having your 2nd amendment rights denied. I know I’m not the only one when I say this, when and if the time comes for the goverment to “TRY” to take my right of safety, secrecy and right to carry my sidearm I will not only defend my rights, but I will stand shouder to shoulder with any man to protect my rights and the rights of the people I love and I dare any of them to come to take my weapons. If they decide to they better bring body bags and a backhoe, because they will have to pry it from my dead hands and I will give one hell of a fight. PS: better start buying your ammo now, the 1st step was ammo qty control (wlmart & other chains have cut ammo distribution in half every year for the past 2 yrs). The next step will be increase in cost of ammo and then supply & demand takes over until the supply is gone. 2nd thing to do- Buy a reloader, pick up shells at your local gun range! I hope you all stay strong & committed to this cause!! God Bless you all!
it is a sad day when you cant have a pro gun sticker on your vehicle but it is totally ok to have piss on ford or other types even the more adult stickers. well i think the state county and mayor should be sued and face criminal charges for violating the rights of an american citizen. we elect certain people to protect rights not strip them from us. one day i hope the cop is on the side of the road and in need of the help of the same individual who he striped of his rights. he should then look at him and say my right to help others has been taken away also. good luck with the walk.
As a person who lives in Houston I have heard of some shady police business here as per a certain mayor’s orders. I have a CHL now and if I was pulled over even for having a light out or other minor infraction I don’t mind if the cop wants to hold my weapon while writing me a ticket but I expect it back afterwards. I think if they want to illegally confiscate your weapon get the report and take them to small claims court for the cost or return of the weapon since it is pretty much stolen property at this point. Even if the mayor is corrupt you may get lucky with the judge and he may actually be a judge who cares about the letter of the law and not a corrupt law enforcement agency and the mayor.
I have to say thanks to all of these fine citizens who before me left these good and well thought out comments for their truthfulness in revealing just how much our Constitutional rights are slowly and carefully by the lawmakers being stripped away from us. I am really starting to wonder just what kind of a supposed free country I live in anymore when I read examples such as this story taking place unlawfully against law abiding and tax paying citizens who really need to be rewarded more freedoms for doing their duties as such. Thank you to Eddie who posted on July 13th. I wholeheartedly feel exactly the same way as you do in what you wrote here. We need to stand up as a united faction always in defending our 2nd Amendment rights to keep and bear arms in this country for a wide variety of reasons, being safety, common sense, and mostly for the great sacrifices our ancestors have made in their service to our country in times of need and in times of war. They and their meritorious service should not be forgotten ever or what they stood for when giving of it for the average American people like you and me. God Bless America for what it was founded upon and for and may our Freedoms never be taken from us ever in the future.
Thank God for America, I love this Country.
Officers have a choice under the law: make sure the motorist doesn’t have a gun, or risk being shot. They also have a responsibility under the law to, basically, invade peoples’ personal spaces (like making them non-voluntarily pull over, and making them get out of the car if they have a reasonable suspicion), which we don’t tolerate from non-police. A person with a gun who doesn’t like having his personal space invaded is much more dangerous than a person without one.
If the bumper stickers, once he could see them, had read “I like knives,” or “knives don’t kill people, I do,” he would have asked about, and confiscated, any knives. (Those aren’t the real bumper stickers, just ones I’ve seen elsewhere.)
Nobody’s trying to take our guns, except the cops who are pulling us over and don’t want to be shot in the process.
They stop this Man for NOT using his turn signals !!!!! Did they stop the one who traveled on the LEFT lane for miles ???? Vote that Mayor OUT is the same useless Varmin Facist as the New York One
The first thing to do when a police officer stop you , is to let him know that you have a loaded weapon on you , end of story , after that you follow his orders , simple if you think about it !!!!
Fear the Government that fears your guns……
Our arms are the ONLY reason our “Government” is not controlling every facet of our lives. The Second Amendment was put in place by our Founding Fathers to protect us from them. Wake up, get involved, make sure you elect only those who are pro gun…..keep OUR great nation OURS, not THEIRS!!!!
I was born in New Orleans and raised i Shreveport, Louisiana and was just in Shreveport in early march for my Father’s funeral. I’m certainly glad that I didn’t run across that particular SPD officer.
I’m retired US Navy and a retired DOD/DON Police Officer with a South Carolina CCW. The back & sides of my truck has all sorts of pro-gun/Second Admendent swtickers including the NRA and Fraternal Order of Police stickers.
It seems to me the entire administration from the day the constitution was written, already began stepping on the Bill of Rights. However, from years of sitting and watching how no peaceful terms will end the reign of Traitors to this nation, I realize that the only way to get our free republic back is to Overthrow this Tyrannical government by Force. As it is our right from the Declaration of Independence. When I became a soldier, I took an oath too, and that oath read “…defend the constitution…from enemies foreign and domestic” primary and everything else secondary. I hate to think I could die for democracy in a foreign land, while at home my free country becomes a fascist/communist dictatorship.
Someone once said and I quote “Be afraid of the government that fears your gun.”. The first and best way to enslave the people is to disarm them completely. Adolf Hitler did that to his citizens once he climbed to power and his policemen were the SS (Gestapo).
Our founding fathers had something to say about protecting the 2nd amendment too, because they realized that will be the first easily abused & the one that has the power to enslave the people.